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Quass10n876rkjM
March 12th, 2016, 05:47 AM
which deals more damage Avenging Crash 10 vs Down Hit 7
who kills more faster?
with shaman buffs..
reply pls

ReyJohn
March 13th, 2016, 06:57 AM
DH 7 ofcourse b'coz it is spammable already. AC 10 is an old school and it deals lesser damage to mobs.

Quass10n876rkjM
March 13th, 2016, 10:08 AM
have you tried? lvl 10 ac and 7 BH?

Ha13829
March 13th, 2016, 11:38 AM
All fs now use DH7, of course only FS can take effect from AM to T5 skill (DH) by stack with SA.

ReyJohn
March 13th, 2016, 12:47 PM
have you tried? lvl 10 ac and 7 BH?

Just used level 7 DH! end of story!

Don't bother upgrading AC to 10 you'll surely regret it!

Make sure to buff SA 10 (Swift Axe) first before AM 10.. the AM effect will not work if you buff it first.

iK3N
March 13th, 2016, 03:13 PM
Errr..Im pretty sure its the other way around?

Buff AM first.
Then SA

Else you will not get the added speed

Jerckysminion
March 13th, 2016, 03:56 PM
Errr..Im pretty sure its the other way around?

Buff AM first.
Then SA

Else you will not get the added speed

nope its like reyjohn said. and DH7 > AC10 with ez as DH 4 already does more damage or equal to AC10.....

Quass10n876rkjM
March 13th, 2016, 06:22 PM
oh also on pvp DH 7 > AC 10?

Jerckysminion
March 13th, 2016, 07:40 PM
oh also on pvp DH 7 > AC 10?

yes, DH7 = stronger and delay is equal to AC10

Quass10n876rkjM
March 13th, 2016, 10:36 PM
really? ac has % dmg boost add

Quass10n876rkjM
March 13th, 2016, 11:25 PM
Avenging Crash Level 10!
Attack Rating 50% / Damage Boost 95%
VS
Down Hit Level 7!
Adding attack rate 230% / Attack rating 35%

so how can be down hit 7 have better damage and avenging crash level 10?
or maybe the descrition of DH is wrong? might be Ad**** attack power rate 230%?

Jerckysminion
March 14th, 2016, 02:08 AM
Avenging Crash Level 10!
Attack Rating 50% / Damage Boost 95%
VS
Down Hit Level 7!
Adding attack rate 230% / Attack rating 35%

so how can be down hit 7 have better damage and avenging crash level 10?
or maybe the descrition of DH is wrong? might be Ad**** attack power rate 230%?

go test it for yourself when u have eventgirl, DH has a higher base damage it does then AC.

Quass10n876rkjM
March 14th, 2016, 02:18 AM
i just dont understand why or how did DH out dmg AC while AC have damage boost and DH dont have

ReyJohn
March 14th, 2016, 02:20 AM
We already test it many times! if you don't believed us then do everything you want in your FS.

Jerckysminion
March 14th, 2016, 02:22 AM
i just dont understand why or how did DH out dmg AC while AC have damage boost and DH dont have

so u don't get how a outdated skill (its ancient when some mobs still didn't exist) does less damage then in the latest added tier (tier5) which is made to help outscale the new mobs that are tossed in the game? what is hard to understand?

ReyJohn
March 14th, 2016, 03:06 AM
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so u don't get how a outdated skill (its ancient when some mobs still didn't exist) does less damage then in the latest added tier (tier5) which is made to help outscale the new mobs that are tossed in the game? what is hard to understand?

Stop explainining mate. he still don't want to listened from us.

Quass10n876rkjM
March 14th, 2016, 03:07 AM
We already test it many times! if you don't believed us then do everything you want in your FS.

you tested the AC and brutal build vs DH?
is the dmg difference so big?

SaitamaFS
March 14th, 2016, 09:21 AM
for me main skill AC 10 with lvl 10 DH.

SPjKEY18
March 14th, 2016, 12:01 PM
Go for Roar lvl 20!

Jerckysminion
March 14th, 2016, 04:00 PM
for me main skill AC 10 with lvl 10 DH.

but DH10 has a delay doesn't it?

Bruuuto
March 14th, 2016, 06:15 PM
Yes DH10 has delay DH7 is the highest with no delay but I guess he prefers to spam AC10 while waiting for DH10 to cooldown which is ok if that is his preference.

Quass10n876rkjM
March 14th, 2016, 11:00 PM
yes DH 10 have delay..

Quass10n876rkjM
March 14th, 2016, 11:05 PM
i also tried ac vs dh i feel ac got better dmg and dh is more fast hitter..

Bruuuto
March 14th, 2016, 11:47 PM
It's ok it is your character play it however you want .

SaitamaFS
March 15th, 2016, 12:56 AM
lol hey bruto have you compared ac 10 vs DH 7?

ReyJohn
March 15th, 2016, 02:11 AM
Hahahahahahaha seriously? Have fun w/ that build xD

Both of you are new comers according in your join date. If you don't want to believed in us (old players) then have fun wasting your Skill Points.

Bruuuto
March 15th, 2016, 04:59 AM
lol hey bruto have you compared ac 10 vs DH 7?

Yes I used AC10 for years before tier 5 was released.

Quass10n876rkjM
March 15th, 2016, 07:08 AM
bruto which is better ac 10 vs DH 7 when you compare it

Ruufio
March 15th, 2016, 09:18 AM
DH 7 they say.

More interesting question is DH 7 better than 10 AC / XX Brutal Swing with 10 DH?

My guess would be no because then you can't use bloody berserk which also = more dmg. You also can't have roar with that build. But you also have to cast bloody berserk every 2 minutes which is annoying. That's also downtime where you're not using a damage skill. At level 104 you can have 10 boost health and 10 downhit with AC 10 and brutal swing 5 or you can have 10 boost health, 7 down hit and 1 bloody berserk.

But isn't roar only a PvP skill?

What's better? ;O With DH 10 you're basically using it like we used to use destroyer. Questions...

How many times does DH hit? AC hits 2x so it's actually 190% dmg boost with 50% atk rtg. DH 7 is 230% dmg boost with 35% atk rtg unless it hits more than once. If it only hits once then I would argue that AC 10 and DH 10 is the way to go because AC is only 40% less overall dmg but it also have 15% more atk rtg AND it gets more critical hit chance with brutal swing which, overall, is more damage than DH 7. Also, AC 10 uses 56 MP where DH uses 76 MP. Big difference as well.

Unless DH hits more than once. (I haven't gotten T5 yet)

I don't even think destroyer needs to be mentioned because even if due to it's 3x hits it does more dmg on paper, we all know how much it misses because of no atk rtg boost. Not hitting = no dmg so I guess, even vs demons, destroyer should never be used? Or am I wrong? Maybe BC 10 and destroyer 10 is still best vs demons? How bad do you miss in higher maps? Most normal monsters are not demons but most bosses are demons.

SaitamaFS
March 15th, 2016, 10:10 AM
so Ruffio do you mean ac/brutal is still better damager than dh 7?

SaitamaFS
March 15th, 2016, 10:12 AM
Level Adding attack rate Attack Rating MP Usage Stamina Usage Skill Cost

1 50% 5% 58 68 55000

2 80% 10% 61 70 66000

3 110% 15% 64 72 77000

4 140% 20% 67 74 88000

5 170% 25% 70 76 99000

6 200% 30% 73 78 110000

7 230% 35% 76 80 121000

8 260% 40% 79 82 132000

9 290% 45% 82 84 143000

10 320% 50% 85 86 154000

is that really damage boost? it only says Adding attack rate..

DamageDealerX
March 15th, 2016, 10:27 AM
hello im just noob but i tried them when AC 10 crits it has more damage than DH but if not DH killer more faster and DH have 2x hits

Ruufio
March 15th, 2016, 10:35 AM
Yeah that's yedang's usual bad english I think. Pretty sure they mean damage boost because it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Downhit and Avenging Crash seem pretty identical actually when you think about it. But for an overall good build, this is what I'm thinking for my build... tell me if I'm wrong...

Level 104
10 Melee Mastery
1 Raving
1 Impact
1 Triple Impact
1 Brutal Swing
5 Roar
1 Rage of Zechram
10 Concentration
1 Avenging Crash
10 Swift Axe
10 Bone Crash
1 Destroyer
1 Berserk
1 Cyclone Axe
10 Boost Health
7 Down Hit
1 Power Dash
1 Mortal Blow
1 Bloody Berserk

I think this makes the most sense for every fighter to go with? I mean why wouldn't you? Don't need 10 roar or 10 fire attribute. 10 Bone Crash does more damage than even 10 Down Hit against demons would do so you might as well have 10 Bone Crash for when you fight demons. Then you have 7 Down Hit for your main spammable attack that is comparable Avenging Crash 10 (not counting crit chance).

Unless Down Hit does damage 2x then that's a 460% dmg boost? That can't be right. That's too high. Maybe it's 115% + 115% for total 230% dmg boost and is just worded badly?

I heard Power Dash is useful for stuns vs mobs too so I guess that's pretty useful. I haven't did T5 yet. Let me know if this seems right.

DamageDealerX
March 15th, 2016, 10:36 AM
Ruufio when your done doing t5 quest just leave your comment here i also wanted to know which is better too. i cant decide

DamageDealerX
March 15th, 2016, 10:37 AM
so you wont go on 10 avenging crash build?

Jerckysminion
March 15th, 2016, 02:24 PM
Yes DH10 has delay DH7 is the highest with no delay but I guess he prefers to spam AC10 while waiting for DH10 to cooldown which is ok if that is his preference.

yeah guess thats oke then if u use it like that.

Quass2NxYDSj6Nr
March 15th, 2016, 10:17 PM
btw i dont think AM+Swift really works coz i tried buffing only AM its attack speed with or without Swift axe is thesame.. do you guys know how much max attack speed?

SPjKEY18
March 16th, 2016, 02:38 AM
btw i dont think AM+Swift really works coz i tried buffing only AM its attack speed with or without Swift axe is thesame.. do you guys know how much max attack speed?

I see a big different in attck speed when AM+SA for DH7

ReyJohn
March 16th, 2016, 04:51 AM
btw i dont think AM+Swift really works coz i tried buffing only AM its attack speed with or without Swift axe is thesame.. do you guys know how much max attack speed?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha

FreeVT
March 16th, 2016, 05:46 AM
maybe u use AM lvl1 and SA lvl1 :troll:

Jerckysminion
March 16th, 2016, 02:22 PM
btw i dont think AM+Swift really works coz i tried buffing only AM its attack speed with or without Swift axe is thesame.. do you guys know how much max attack speed?

u sir are either baiting or just blinder then people who got their eyes gouged out .....

ReyJohn
March 17th, 2016, 01:55 AM
I can't believed it I waste my time reading this thread :XD:

Vinh1987
April 6th, 2016, 02:02 PM
Wait for shaman in your party cast AM and then cast all your skill SA, CC, BB, cast AM before SA will make FS has crazy speed faster than every chars. Now in Bless Caster defend and attack rating are nothing, only block and evade work in PvP, destroyer will work good with 28% crit add. So many players think the weapon mastery skills are good but they wrong, this type skill add % of weapon attack power not total damage, example your weapon attack power is 100-150, and your weapon mastery skill add 40% you will get 40-60 attack power from this skill, not much in your total damage, remember 130 streng add 100% weapon attack power, in this example it add 100-150 to your damage ok? And i think when your lvl is lower than 92, need AC 10 for train you need max AC first, then SA, then BS, CC is not important. when 92 you have 17 EP can make DH 7, BB 1 and 4 BH, good for train, your SP for SA 10, CC 10, MM 10 and then Roar 10. When you 105 can go to IM for train, you can change to high lvl PD with stun status, so good for train 1vs1 mob. Few words from noob FS.